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Post by smokingsig Fri 18 Oct 2019, 7:19 am

Can someone quickly tell me what these coils do and why it works much better with coils from CBR bikes ?
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Post by ANDYC Fri 18 Oct 2019, 4:37 pm

I found that it cuts out weak points in the ignition system,  such as the plug caps and HT leads. These have been the cause of many woes on these bikes.
They are a lighter and a neater set up, oh, and they give a stronger more reliable spark at the plug. Especially at higher revs where the originals struggle as they age. (Don't we all).
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Post by ANDYC Sat 19 Oct 2019, 6:11 pm

Now have some available.
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Post by haybunch Sat 26 Oct 2019, 3:52 pm

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 i actually did it! (considering ive never done this sorta job before) and it starts so far, just gotta smoothen things up like patch up the gaping space in the plug hole
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Post by haybunch Mon 28 Oct 2019, 11:15 am

small update but the upgrade's fixed my starting issues as well! it used to take three presses of the starter to get it started sometimes wuth a bit of throttle applied as well but now it doesnt even take a whole press and it fires up straight away. im im guessin it is one of the old parts that git replaced that was o its last legs and why the starter brushes were ground to fuck when i iirst got the bike so cheers for that andy!
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Post by Crash- Elmit Sat 30 Nov 2019, 3:52 pm

Hi Andy, PM sent
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Post by Crash- Elmit Sun 08 Dec 2019, 6:59 pm

fitted stick coils today, though just to try them out so nothing is permanently connected at the moment, and bike fired up straight away  The mounts on the connector side of the coils are broken and rusted and the connectors themselves are covered in corrosion so no wonder I have had starting issues, especially on the right side. I am just waiting for a new set of crimping pliers to arrive as mine are meant for insulated connectors.
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Post by ANDYC Sun 08 Dec 2019, 7:13 pm

Very Happy Very Happy it is probably one of the easiest and most beneficial mods you can make Chris.
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Post by burudi Mon 16 Dec 2019, 11:37 am

https://www.electrosport.com/collections/connectorsç

also aliexpress....

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Post by burudi Tue 17 Dec 2019, 7:25 pm

Does anyone have any idea of ​​a particular cap to make airtight at the top due to the difference in diameter between coil and hole?
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Post by Crash- Elmit Tue 17 Dec 2019, 8:55 pm

I cut the cover off the original caps and put them on the sticks. works absolutely fine
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Post by burudi Tue 17 Dec 2019, 10:36 pm

thanks !
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Post by burudi Thu 19 Dec 2019, 7:40 pm

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https://es.aliexpress.com/item/33035965009.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.4c6f63c04kqwYl
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Post by burudi Thu 26 Dec 2019, 6:10 pm

seadoo cover rubber boot are ok but expensive.......
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Post by Melitos Thu 26 Dec 2019, 8:05 pm

burudi wrote:Does anyone have any idea of ​​a particular cap to make airtight at the top due to the difference in diameter between coil and hole?

I had a pair made in a local shop that sells all things rubber. I think they were 3mm thick and made with this kind of tool  https://toolguyd.com/hollow-punch-set-for-rubber-washers-gaskets/

I don't remember if I paid 1 eur for a piece or for the pair. Anyway money well spent and a happy customer.

One DIY option might be to wrap several rounds of vulcanising silicone tape to the coils on suitable location to make them thicker. Obviously with this approach the plug will not be at the very top of the hole. Regular tape with glue (like electrical tape) typically cannot tolerate high temperatures, so that might not work.

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Post by ANDYC Wed 01 Jan 2020, 4:26 pm

A quick shout to Beresford, you have PM.
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Post by Beresford Sun 05 Jan 2020, 12:50 pm

Coils have arrived. Thank you Andy. I haven't examined the existing set-up yet to see what I need to do, but can you tell me whether the connectors you provide have to be hard wired to the existing loom, or whether I must make up short links that plug into connectors on the existing loom as shown by Haybunch. I'd prefer not to have to modify the standard wiring if at all possible.
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Post by ANDYC Sun 05 Jan 2020, 4:53 pm

You can wire them up to the existing loom, it shouldn't be a problem. I wire them with the common wire to the left as you look down on the new coils in the cylinder head. You may need to unravel some of the tape to get enough play in the wire but otherwise it's pretty straightforward Mike.
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Post by burudi Mon 06 Jan 2020, 12:20 pm

I think it is also interesting to cover the new wiring with thermo shrink tube. Also,when put a new male terminal, always with external plastic insulator cover on this new. Looking for, there are those that even hug on the already existing female terminal of origin.On sale in electronic parts stores, for example.

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Post by burudi Thu 09 Jan 2020, 5:10 pm

My solution to the space between coil and cylinder head cover is an oil seal 20-48-10. Fits perfectly on the outside of the hole. Preferably double lip to be possible. See images

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Post by burudi Tue 21 Jan 2020, 11:23 am

https://www.dropbox.com/home?preview=STICKCOIL.jpeg
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Post by Beresford Fri 01 May 2020, 5:32 pm

This is my solution for securing and sealing the coil into the engine. It's a piece of water hose about 40mm dia. with an 'O' ring super glued to it. Besides keeping muck and water out, it should also dampen any vibration of the stick which might lead to failure.
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Post by Beresford Sun 10 May 2020, 5:36 pm

Success. Finally got everything back together and link leads made (had to wait for an order of spade connectors from ebay). I'd also taken the radiator and fan off to deal with corrosion. So the sticks are in and SHE RUNS !
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Post by ANDYC Sun 10 May 2020, 5:54 pm

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Post by motofan Sun 10 May 2020, 10:30 pm

Hi guys, I'm quite eager to try the change to stick coils, as I would buy them second hand from what model of bike is best? Also are there suitably cheap new ones available?
Thanks, Dave.
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