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Post by hawkwind Sat 10 Sep 2016, 9:00 pm

hello all, nice to be here. somehow i have lost a pad plate for the rear of my 97 cb500. its the one with the brembo calipers. i cant seem to find that part anywhere, does anyone have any ideas where i could get one or if there is a work around, cheers, hawkwind
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Post by liverpool_f_ Sat 10 Sep 2016, 10:33 pm

Hello and welcome. My first point of call for little parts like that is my local honda dealer. It will be overpriced but probably less than £5. They can always order the parts sharpish if they are not on the shelf. Lings and david silver for delivered parts.
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Post by hawkwind Sat 10 Sep 2016, 10:41 pm

thanks for that.much appreciated, hawkwind
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Post by eternally_troubled Sun 11 Sep 2016, 9:50 am

Do you mean number 5 from here:

http://www.lingshondaparts.com/honda_motorcycle_parts_selection_pfk.php?block_01=13MY5WEA&block_02=F__1102&block_03=1612&block_04=xx&block_05=hmc

or here:

http://www.cmsnl.com/honda-cb500-1997-v-england_model1579/partslist/F__1102.html#results


Assuming you are talking about number 5 then neither place seems to have any stock and I can't see anything on David Silver's website either.

It is still worth asking a dealer (the Honda part number is 43108MAK003) - it might also be worth asking an independent garage, my local independent motorcycle place can order things from Honda easily.

I can see why you are having problems finding it!

So on ebay - as you can see there are a few, not *too* expensive but you do have to buy a whole caliper and cross your fingers that it has the correct part inside!

The other option is to buy/find some thin spring steel and attempt to bend one yourself - I suspect that the dimensions are not super critical, just that it springs in the right way. All that having been said it would be a lot easier to make one if you had one to copy, so it still might be worth buying a caliper off ebay.

On a slightly different note - what happens if you just leave it out? I think you'll just get a clacking sound every time you use the rear break and the caliper will wear in a strange way - not good but I doubt it is immediately terminal either...
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Post by hh_12345 Sun 11 Sep 2016, 10:41 am

eternally_troubled wrote:

Assuming you are talking about number 5 then neither place seems to have any stock and I can't see anything on David Silver's website either.



It is listed as "Special ordered upon request" on David Silver's website with 5-7 days delivery time.
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Post by eternally_troubled Sun 11 Sep 2016, 2:36 pm

hh_12345 wrote:
eternally_troubled wrote:
Assuming you are talking about number 5 then neither place seems to have any stock and I can't see anything on David Silver's website either.

It is listed as "Special ordered upon request" on David Silver's website with 5-7 days delivery time.

True. If they can actually order it and Honda actually have it I agree this would be a good idea and probably easiest all round; I fear that it won't be available, as per the other two sources.
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Post by hawkwind Sun 11 Sep 2016, 3:47 pm

its not actually number 5 its the bit under the left hand bit of the caliper bracket without a number. its called a pad plate and slots in the end of the caliper and the pad ends sit in it, got an awful feeling i am not going to be able to get one, hawkwind
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Post by Beresford Sun 11 Sep 2016, 4:51 pm

I think that little plate takes the load onto the caliper from the disc when the pads are gripping. If it isn't there then eventually the steel pad back plate will wear a gouge into the alloy of the caliper - and be noisy every time the brake is applied.

However if you can get some stainless ( spring ideally ) steel sheet of a suitable thickness, a Dremel (or similar rotary tool) would be able to shape it quite easily.

Material like that probably can't be bought in a shop so keep your eyes open for scrap stuff.
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Post by hh_12345 Sun 11 Sep 2016, 8:01 pm

eternally_troubled wrote:
True.  If they can actually order it and Honda actually have it I agree this would be a good idea and probably easiest all round; I fear that it won't be available, as per the other two sources.







Oh, so that is what "Special ordered upon request" actually meant.  Very Happy
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Post by eternally_troubled Sun 11 Sep 2016, 8:42 pm

hawkwind wrote:its not actually number 5 its the bit under the left hand bit of the caliper bracket without a number. its called a pad plate and slots in the end of the caliper and the pad ends sit in it, got an awful feeling i am not going to be able to get one, hawkwind

Ah! Yes! I see. Other people have had this problem before - there is nowhere (that we have found) where you can buy that part separately from the caliper as a whole, I think Beresford's idea is probably the best one going (other than buying a whole caliper just to steal a little bit).
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Post by hawkwind Fri 16 Sep 2016, 9:40 pm

thanks for all the answers everyone. what i can gather it is made from annealed spring steel and is probably not able to be worked with by "biker in shed".  i have messaged a couple of people on ebay selling the whole caliper if they include the part but no replies. this is pissing me off as my 500 is my winter bike and i need it sorting. shes a rat but she is one hell of a rat and so much fun. i suppose with the "stupid" design of the back end no other brake will fit her? thanks again, jp
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Post by Beresford Fri 16 Sep 2016, 11:07 pm

I think that it should be possible to work the part if you can get a piece of spring steel. Heat it to glowing and let it cool normally, then it should be bendable and shapeable. When you have made it to suit, heat to glowing again and immediately quench in some old oil. That should get the springyness back.
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Post by sullivj Sat 17 Sep 2016, 7:01 am

I seem to remember a thread on here a while ago, confirming that there is another bike, which shared the same calliper. IIRIC, there were more of 'that' calliper available at the time.

A search might bring it up.
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Post by hawkwind Sat 17 Sep 2016, 8:17 pm

cant seem to find that thread. could it be the xl600? jp
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Post by sullivj Sat 17 Sep 2016, 8:42 pm

Hopefully someone will come along that remembers - Teamster or Badseeds perhaps?
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Post by hawkwind Fri 30 Sep 2016, 8:51 pm

well after much investigation i found a metal company in rotherham that sells spring steel. i went over there and spoke to a very nice chap who let me have a small piece for nothing ( i did force him to take a fiver ). he wasnt confident that i could make the part in my garage but on the 5th attempt i had the thing made and it works great, so up yours honda! but today after noticing a clicking sound i found my front disc has a crack in it, doh! jp
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Post by Beresford Fri 30 Sep 2016, 9:51 pm

hawkwind wrote: but on the 5th attempt i had the thing made and it works great, so up yours honda! but today after noticing a clicking sound i found my front disc has a crack in it, doh! jp



Any photos of your efforts ?
If you need to replace the front caliper, Nissin is just as good as the Brembo and has the great advantage that overhaul kits are a lot cheaper. It will work with either master cylinder but I think they use different hydraulic banjo bolts.
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Post by hawkwind Fri 30 Sep 2016, 10:06 pm

sorry, i was so chuffed with having made the thing i just put it straight in the caliper, never thought to take a piccie. while i was researching i looked through a few honda microfiche and the xl600 from around the same year looked very similar to the cb clip, i wonder if anyone knows because thats available to buy seperate, jp
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